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Prince Madoc

American Welsh History

I've been reading several books & papers related to the 12th century theory. I posted a partial bibliography to the last thread. More recently Ive read Richard Deacon's book Madog & the Discovery of America. Pub. George Braziller, New York 1966.The first sentence of ch. 15 states: Speculation as to what happened to the first expidition by Madoc is not greatly assisted by documentation. That pretty much sums up the whole body of information - or misinformation, about Madocs trip(s) to the new world. I really did want to believe - but the evidence does not seem to be conclusive.There is the story of Brendon the Irish Monk from a date similar to this other Madog. I'll be interested to see how this new Idea pans out. Actually I'd like to put in my lot with all who actually got here before Columbus.

Madog ab Owain Gwynedd

American Welsh History

Yesterday I promised to try to put up a bibliography. . Actually it is from Anna Lee Waldo's book Circle of Stars, an historical fiction. But the bibliography has a lot of solid history,etc. So here goes a start:"Afon Ganol Wall Fragments" Transactions of Carnarvonshire History Soc., (1956)Armstrong, Zella, Who Discovered America? The Amazing Story of Madoc ( The lookout Pub. Co,, Chattinooga, 1950)Chandler, Hatchett, "Gem 23, Prince Madoc," Little gems from Fort Morgan,The cradle of American History (The Christopher Publishing House, Boston, 1961.Chapman Paul H, , The Man Who Led Columbus to America (Judson Press, Atlanta, 1973)Davies Arthur, "Prince Madoc and the Discovery of North America in 1477," Journal of the Royal Geographic Society, England ( Vol. 150, No. 3, Nov. 1984).Well that's about enough for now, I think. There is a lot more. If you have a copy of Circle of Stars then you can get the jump on me. I've got the reference librarian working on gathering as many as she can find here in WI. I think there is enough evidence if you want to believe, but enough room to doubt if you don't want to believe - just like with anything else. I prefer to believe - if possible. ,

Madog ab Owain Gwynedd

American Welsh History

There are some books on the subject. I will try to get a bit of a bibliography posted this coming week. There is a lot of speculation, and lots of it is propoganda for the competing nations as to their claims on North America. Some of the originators of the information changed their stories, depending upon which country they were working for at the time of their statements. The single best piece of evidence, to my thinking, is the construction of stone fortifications up river from Mobile Bay. These are smilar in construction to of some of the old Welsh castles, and date from the right time period. No body else was building European style stone fortifications in North America at that time. I haven't read any other explanation of these buildings. I don't know if information on the subject is being actively suppressed at this time, or if it is just being ignored in the US.