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Proto-Celts and The Etruscans - Minding one's P's and Q's

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By: Tod Enders
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I read a really interesting article recently about the possible cause of the separation of the Celtic languages into P-Celtic and Q-Celtic forms. Q-Celtic survives today as Irish, Manx and Scots Gaelic, and existed previously as Celt-Iberian, spoken on the Spanish peninsula, among others. P-Celtic, of which Welsh and Breton (I believe) are the only surviving members, also included tongues of other wider-flung areas, including Cumbric (southern Scotland and northern England), Cornish (Cornwall), the enigmatic Pictish (northern Scotland), Gaulish (Gaul - present day France), and some even farther removed, such as Galatian (Turkey), Leponic (Northern Italy), and Noric (Austria and Slovenia). Coincidently (or not), these areas also share a fair number of social structures, religious beliefs, and elements of material culture - in fact, taken with a grain of salt, they paint a fair picture of a wider Welsh tradition, of which modern Wales is the heir.

The article argues that the transition from the proto-IndoEuropean consonant k(w) (to pronounce it, place your lips as if to make a very pronounced and comic Welsh W, but make the hard C sound without moving your lips) to simple K + w (or Qu) was by far an easier transition to make that the one taken by the P-Celtic speakers, who turned into a P instead. Other language (German and Latin for instance) made a similar simple transition. Seeing as it seems to be a much simpler transition, the article argues that we should look for some reason for an otherwise awkward linguistic transition.

Enter the Etruscans, a powerful, metallurgically advanced, but tongue-tied group who migrated into the area at about the time of the split between P- and Q-Celtic (around 1200 BC or so). The article examines evidence that the very influential Etruscans (possible/likely forefathers of much of Roman culture), though having great skill in military organization, and issuing in the iron age in this part of the world, simply had no sounds in their non-IndoEuropean language that corresponded to a K, Q or maybe even W. Whats an Etruscan to do, then, when trying to interact with these proto-Celtic people? Apparently, rather than allowing the k(w) sound to drift backward into no-mans-land and become the unknown K sound, they used something a little further forward and a lot more familiar. They used P instead. The article concludes by pointing to the likelihood that the proto-Celts of the area, taken with these culturally impressive neighbours, likely began to borrow their pronunciation, and as a result, began to create the division we see today.

Tod Enders
03/30/13 07:48:48PM @tod-enders:
The P/Q thing has happened several places (including early forms of Latin from what the article says), which leads some to believe that that is what happened in the British Isles, with Ireland and Britain speaking a common Q-Celtic tongue, and Britain morphing on it's own into a P- form. It seems much more likely to me that it was influenced by the Etruscan -> Gallic change. I've been looking for info about the relationship between Gaul and Britain in the pre-Roman and early Roman periods (before the Gaulish tongue was lost to Roman and Frankish influence), but haven't found a lot. I have seen that certain tribes definitely ruled across the Channel (the Belgae being the one that pops to mind, though just how "Celtic" they were is questionable, though I believe they spoke the language. They were a mixed group of Celtic/German composition, as shown by current DNA analysis of the population of Cornwall where they settled), and that caches of Gallic coinage have been found in Britain. I think there is also a strong history of the Gallic druids going to Britain to learn how to do it right - a sort of Druidic College. Certainly the bond was strong enough even at the end of the Roman Empire to allow the creation of a Gallic Empire. With all of the little I know pointing to definite interaction across the Channel, I find it very likely that if the inhabitants of Britain originally spoke Q-Celtic, that they would have picked up the P- and other innovations from the Gauls rather than reinventing the wheel.Okay - you may have gathered that I'm a trifle obsessed, eh? :)
Bill Feagin
03/30/13 04:28:33PM @bill-feagin:

I knew about the separation into Q-Celtic (only Irish and Scots-Gaelic surviving from that, with the death of the last native Manx speaker in 1974) and P-Celtic (although I only knew for sure of Welsh, Breton and the now-extinct Cornish); usually, the example used is the more prosaic difference between Celtic patronymics, as in the former they start with Mac (or Nic for a daughter) and with Ap in the latter (Welsh for sure - don't know Breton well enough to say). Didn't know about the Etruscan connection, though, but that sounds a good deal like the difference between Arabic and Iran's Farsi language (which has the P-sound missing from Arabic). Language is such a fascinating topic!


Tod Enders
03/25/13 05:48:58PM @tod-enders:

Thanks for the comments! I really wasn't sure if this would be relevant to anyone other than myself!


Gaynor Madoc Leonard
03/25/13 05:28:59PM @gaynor-madoc-leonard:

Extraordinary! Fascinating too.


Harold Powell
03/25/13 04:57:06PM @harold-powell:

Sounds plausible. Some sounds have to be learned before the age of 12 (or so). Thereafter they become almost impossible for an adult to mimic.