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Fionnchú
@fionnch
01/26/09 06:25:08PM
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rock music or the lack of it in welsh music


Welsh Music

Errr- I'm wrong, you're right. I had meant only Big Leaves not being mentioned; I must have been scanning the left list and not seen your parenthetical inclusion. A rare admission of fault on my part I assure you! In recompense, one addition for each facet of your musical triad:Singing in Welsh (at least at their start, a common tendency of many bands on Ankst?): Ectogram. In English: Young Marble Giants. Musician: a dodgy one, but while he grew up in Tamworth, Staffs., Julian Cope was born in Deri, Mid-Glamorgan.
Fionnchú
@fionnch
01/26/09 12:14:13AM
3 posts

rock music or the lack of it in welsh music


Welsh Music

Dave Martin, I know what you mean, even sober as I am (now!). What Sarah Hill in her "Blerwytirhwng" book struggles with and to me does not articulate fully is how you take reggae, post-punk, folk rock, or psychedelia and infuse them with an undeniably Welsh essence . That exists (I'd suggest tentatively as an outsider looking in hearing the music but without intimate connection with Cymru I confess-- that's why I am here to listen and learn) in snatches here and there when I hear in what's sung in Cymraeg a whiff of a deeper link to the land and mythos and hiraeth . But, I too am trapped as a faraway fan, like those art schoolers who founded folk rock bands in Britain in the later 60s; I am trying to romanticize gwerin from my urban perch.Ireland has, if I may compare, a solid trad scene, of course, but they have failed to produce any musicians able to jump from the trad to the pop or rock while sticking to a Celtic language. I have a new wave record in Irish that's dreck. I think it was the only one of its genre ever made.Horslips in the 70s went back and forth between electric folk, trad, and hard-rock but they emulated in the end the slick West Coast El Lay studio sound and their success foundered as they tried to match Jethro Tull's arena anthems. Liam Maonla on "Rian" (Hothouse Flowers), Iarla Lonaird (on Peter Gabriel's label, tellingly), and Peadar Riada on his two records in the mid-90s to my limited knowledge came closest to integrating a complex world-music inspired approach into their trad, blended with an indie-label rockish eclecticism. This seemed the most promising direction, but this also can dissolve seductively into meaningful moans above mushy synths and flutes stacked atop didgeridoos and tribal drums. (See: Peter Gabriel.)Sorry to sound like the wannabee rock critic, but I concur with Dave's complaint here: there's a persistent difficulty in locating a tangible substance in music from Wales as truly different. You can't stick lyrics in another language atop the same old pop or folk or rock groove from Anglo-American conventions, and claim some triumph for Celtic reclamation of culture. This remains the problem with asserting there's some essential (that adjective again) difference in Welsh-language music that follows London or LA-based trends. Not sure if this will ever happen for anybody in the Celtic lands making music in the wake of the domination of the international pop conglomerate that shapes and segregates and reproduces our market-tested tunes.Yet, one last comment. Hill notes how long the Welsh-pop evolution took; there was not a professional rock-pop band able to survive on their music alone until well into the 70s, and as long for a full LP! The whole pop music scene took much longer to evolve in Wales, whether folk and pop in the 60s, rock in the 70s, or punk and reggae in the 80s. The organic sound of The Band that Dave admires itself took patience, years of roadhouse gigs, and smart guys' exposure to lots of earlier, diverse, obscure music before it melded at Big Pink. So, perhaps the blend we're denying may take longer still to percolate into a "truly" Welsh medium of expression?
Fionnchú
@fionnch
01/22/09 04:10:07PM
3 posts

rock music or the lack of it in welsh music


Welsh Music

Blerwytirhwng: The Place of Welsh Pop Music by Sarah Hill & my musings/review(s)..This is a pricy academic study by a scholar at Cardiff U (I think she may even be American-born from Oakland and a learner of Welsh!), Sarah Hill. Rather theoretical in parts, but informative. Only trouble: little insight into how this music sounds: is it merely British/American Anglo-sounds with Welsh lyrics, or is there an inherent difference? That relates to the comments below about Christian rock vs. "regular" rock, by the way-- are you changing the essence or only the surface if you sing in Cymraeg?Hill also includes the (I wonder if apocryphal as I am no Zep expert) tale of how supposedly two members of the band were approached. They were hanging out admiringly if on the fringes at a Welsh-language music festival and asked if they'd want to jam. No one recognized them.You can always get "Blerwytirhwng" as I did from interlibrary loan. There's only two votes on my review from last year of her book; the negative one may be from her (I often suspect this as a prolific reviewer of rather esoteric works on Amazon!) as I "only" gave it four/five stars. Worth a look by anyone seriously interested in the genre; listening to GZM & Euros Childs & Big Leaves (not on the discussion so far) & SFA-- not to mention the "Welsh Rare Beat" Sain compilations co-coordinated by Gruff Rhys-- got me interested in finding out much more about Wales & Cymraeg.By the way, as a learner of Irish over the long years, it's intriguing why Gaeilge lacks rockers compared to English-language Irish bands. The whole scene in Welsh in Wales has no real parallel among the Gaeilgeori across the sea. This presence in Welsh of a vibrant cultural and musical and linguistic counterpart and contrast with Irish led me lately to find and join Americymru! Maybe one day I can pick out more than a few geriadau from the exchange between CMD & AL in Welsh below.I also posted the past couple of years on Amazon and my blog at various reviews (find under keywords like "Welsh rock music"), for instance, of the WRB comps and just the other day my review of Euros Childs' newest, "Cheer Gone." I tracked this down on import as I wanted it despite a depleted budget. A bit too Americana, as it's recorded barebones in Nashville, but there's some strong songs. Reminiscent of an acoustic Lambchop with a better singer? I like Childs best when as on "Bore Da" he sings in Cymraeg, however. While his music's certainly less lysergic and more stripped down than it used to be, I find his voice alluring. A skilled interpreter in both languages, deserving much more attention. I miss GZM and wish they'd issued the expanded CDs of their first three CDs; rumor from my friends in England has it these were never put out by Castle Communications as planned. Any info on this GZM mystery much welcomed. Hwyl pob ichi... Blerwytirhwng: The Place of Welsh Pop Music by Sarah Hill: My revie... [it's also up at their British site].