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gaabi
@gaabi
08/07/08 06:17:44AM
135 posts

Examples of Welsh Influence on America


American Welsh History

If anyone is interested in those slave interviews, here they are at the LOC website: http://memory.loc.gov/ammem/collections/voices/ http://memory.loc.gov/ammem/snhtml/snhome.html They really are something incredible and there are fantastic things there.
gaabi
@gaabi
08/07/08 06:06:00AM
135 posts

Examples of Welsh Influence on America


American Welsh History

Hmmm, I heard that many freed slaves took the surnames of the people who freed them or helped them along the Underground railway or otherwise helped them or the last names of people who were in the anti-slavery movement and that a lot of those people were Welsh - Welsh Quakers, Welsh traveling preachers, etc. I don't think there were a large number of Welsh slave owners (as they weren't the ones coming over with enough money to buy plantations) but there probably were some. That would make more sense to me than naming yourself after the person who owned you.I haven't researched this really hard so I'm not really sure, would have to do some study and research. Did you read something good on this? I'd love to read it, that's a very interesting subject.I think also that slaves were really expensive and not just everyone could buy one. I had a friend in LA, a black guy from Virginia, who's university dissertation was on the value of a slave and how the slave owner was liable to treat such an expensive asset.I know the Smithsonian has actual recordings of interviews with slaves - in the 1930s, during the depression, researchers went around to interview and record the last surviving slaves in the US about their experiences. I've read a little of that and would like to read more, very fascinating.
gaabi
@gaabi
08/07/08 03:46:45AM
135 posts

Slavery and Apaches


General Discussions ( Anything Goes )

Yep, that was all perfect, especially "for good or bad and I won't see the end of this progression."
gaabi
@gaabi
08/07/08 03:12:46AM
135 posts

Slavery and Apaches


General Discussions ( Anything Goes )

Not at all, I don't see how a box would be effective, a machete would do so much more, but that is charming coming from a resident of a country/island who's ancestors killed off all the large indigenous mammals hundreds of years ago. ;)Tomorrow you'll be sober, with a headache, and sorry you did this, haha!I'm not in disagreement with your point - accepting the role of "victim" is dangerous because it makes you a victim. I agree that "compensatory" actions and behaviours are undesirable because (1) how can you POSSIBLY "compensate" for something so horrible as the Holocaust or the attempted genocide of the native populations of the western hemisphere or Australia; and (2) how can the descendants of the oppressor "compensate" the descendants of the oppressed?I don't feel that it's that simple, though, I think it's very complicated and there's no "one-size-fits-all."If you're an African-American, should you be paid reparations for our country's history of slavery? What if you were a surviving slave, still living - should you be compensated for the life you lost and the work you did by the people who enslaved you and got the fruit of your labor? It seems simple to me that you should. What if you were that person's child, grandchild, great-grandchild? That seems simple to me, too, they would have gotten the fruit of your labor and you could estimate or measure injury to succeeding generations. What if you can't prove that your ancestors were slaves? What if some of your ancestors were slaves and some were plantation owners who kept slaves? Not so simple.If you're Native American, that's very complicated and it varies from tribe to tribe. In some cases, tribes receive monies from the US Government which were negotiated in a treaty - that seems simple to me, it's a contract. The US Government is supposed to pay other tribes for taking natural resources from their lands and that also seems simple to me, you pay for something you take but in some, many, cases the US government either hasn't made those payments as agreed or has made them into a fund the Bureau of Indian Affairs was supposed to oversee and then took them out to pay for something else. I'm sure there are other types of payments and I just don't what they are.So, generalities aside, do you think a man or woman should keep their word when they give it? Should a country? Should we uphold and abide by treaties that we make or are they "just a scrap of paper"? Do governments have ethical precepts or codes they should abide by or should they just do whatever whoever happens to be in power wants to do?And the reptile show was great, he brought a female king cobra, bunches of other snakes and lizards and I got to be the "helper" with the albinoa constrictor, (2 meters long) and hold the tail end while he held the head end so that the kids could come and pet it. She was gorgeous and soft and smooth and curled her tail around my hand because all the people made her nervous.
gaabi
@gaabi
08/06/08 10:52:44PM
135 posts

Slavery and Apaches


General Discussions ( Anything Goes )

You don't think there should be public acknowledgement of things like this? That we shouldn't look at it and discuss it and acknowledge that it was horrible and shouldn't have happened? Or is it something else about it that you mean?Sorry, I'll pick Native Americans for my example to discuss. I don't feel that I PERSONALLY should feel personally guilty and responsible for the Indian Wars (as an example, although I had an ancestor who I think was in charge of Fort Cheyenne for a while during this) but I feel that as a society we need to acknowledge that our country was partially built on attempted genocide of the people that were here before us and they're still here and how do we all live together?I think you can make some comparisons to the Welsh in Wales and Native Americans in the US but what if the English had killed most of your ancestors and driven the rest onto reservations? What if today it were almost impossible for you to get a job, people outside your "reservation" expected you to be a stupid drunk and lifted their eyebrows in surprise and treated you like a miracle if you were literate or dressed in modern clothes instead of covered with blue clay - what if they actually expected you to be like that and were surprised and disappointed that you weren't? What if the English today treated you and your relatives, friends and neighbors like animals, as though it were ok to rape, assault, cheat and kill you? What if they "let" Wales have the Senedd and then it never had the power to do anything but plan cultural festivals? I know that England has in the past raided Wales for coal and I think today takes water from Wales? What if no one Welsh had any say in this and was never paid for it? What if the British government let English businesses come in and rip you off or take whatever they wanted and then just never did a thing about it and ignored your protests? What if your grandparents (and most of the town they lived in) died from poisoned food given them by the English government?(and now I have to sneak off to a reptile show at the library with my kids - hahaha! But I could say a lot on this topic - African slavery next, a very complicated subject)
gaabi
@gaabi
08/06/08 10:12:57PM
135 posts

Iconic Yanks from a Welshmans perspective


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You didn't aim this at me and I can't answer it as I can't divorce myself from my point of view as a citizen of the US (remember Canada and Mexico are also "America") but as you said Washington, are you a fan of Washington? Have you read anything about his role as the revolutionary war's intelligence kingpin? http://www.srmason-sj.org/council/journal/feb00/poteat.html http://www.amazon.com/George-Washington-Spymaster-Americans-Revolutionary/dp/0792251261 http://www.americanheritage.com/articles/magazine/ah/2000/1/2000_1_45.shtml
gaabi
@gaabi
08/06/08 12:45:11AM
135 posts

BUNDLING. Are you for it or agin it.


American Welsh History

LOL, boy! And in that instance you'd need a good internal alarm clock to beat the rest of the household up and out the door, wouldn't you? ;)
gaabi
@gaabi
08/05/08 10:02:55PM
135 posts

BUNDLING. Are you for it or agin it.


American Welsh History

Yes, of course they would have, that would have been a basic custom, how you live and what you do, it wouldn't change if you moved somewhere else. This is my theory that a lot of early American settlers were Welsh and that if we look we'll find a lot of our customs come from there. I've said this before but the most common family names in this country are Welsh and many people here think they're just "American" names and we don't know where they came from: Jones, Johns, Williams, Thomas, Evans, Price, etc. I must know at least ten or fifteen "Williams" that aren't related to each other (as far as they know).
gaabi
@gaabi
08/05/08 08:31:47PM
135 posts

BUNDLING. Are you for it or agin it.


American Welsh History

What I remember reading about the colonial version was that BOTH people were sown into separate big sacks, basically.And if I were the parent, I'd probably be more "for" it than if I were a young participant. ;)
gaabi
@gaabi
08/05/08 08:29:50PM
135 posts

BUNDLING. Are you for it or agin it.


American Welsh History

Did this originate in Wales? Bundling was a custom in parts of the Colonial-era US, also, and I'd love to know if that's where it came from. I found a wiki entry on it and it said that it was a courting tradition, just like you said above, but I'm pretty sure I've read also that travelers in the winter that came to a farm would bundle with women in the household "to stay warm" or something like that. The wiki entry also talks about this being a practice of the Amish in Pennsylvania (descendants of German immigrants) and using a "bundling board" placed between the two people I guess to remind them to stay separate.Here's the wiki entry: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bundling_ (tradition)
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