Glamorgan History

Gaynor Madoc Leonard
@gaynor-madoc-leonard
03/27/12 03:58:29PM
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That's great, Swansea. I've got "Swansea Life" to read today.There's a book called Swansea Spy by Geraint Thomas, set in wartime Swansea. www.swanseaspy.co.uk . I haven't looked at it yet.

We too have high temperatures - glorious weather here in Carmarthen.

Professor Bernard Knight CBE
@professor-bernard-knight-cbe
03/21/12 10:23:39PM
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Concerning the 'Roman' bridge at Blackpill, I've looked at what sources i can find and there is no doubt it's not Roman, in spite of the naming of the modern developments near it. It is probably only 18th century - there is not a single Roman bridge surviving anywhere in UK ( website for Roman bridges). only a couple of collapsed buttresses up north.

Gaynor Madoc Leonard
@gaynor-madoc-leonard
03/16/12 05:59:00PM
302 posts

Swansea

Apologies for taking a long time to respond. I saw your message as we were approaching Paddington Station so had to wait to get home, after which my broadband connection wouldn't work until I'd restarted my PC and then it took another 40 minutes to allow me into the website.

The article was in the Carmarthen Journal of 7 March, headlined Tram Plan Charity's Bid to Secure 250m Fund. I'll scan it and put it on this site for you asap. The idea is to revive the old tramline from Mumbles, take it through Swansea, Clydach, Pontardawe and Abernant and then connecting to the existing freightline at Gwaun cae gurwen.

Gaynor

Professor Bernard Knight CBE
@professor-bernard-knight-cbe
03/16/12 03:45:19PM
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I think he was caught a bit north of where the big Tesco's is now, more up towards Tonyrefail near the Royal Mint (no English jokes please about 'The Hole with a Mint!)

The place is still known as 'Pant y Brad' (the hollow of the treachery) and a an old commemorative plaque used to be on the bridge there. Variations of the tale abound, but a monk from Penrhys Priory in the Rhondda was alleged to to have given him away. He had fled from the advance of his wife Queen Isabella (The She-Wolf of France) who had taken Roger Mortimer as her lover and Edward, with his boyfriend Huw Despenser the Younger, fled to Wales, staying five nights in Despenser's Caerphlly Castle, before fleeing further to Neath Abbey with his personal treasure. He left the there for some reason and came back eastwards - there is a story of him hiding up an oak tree at Llangynwyd nar Maesteg ( how many kings are alleged to hidden up oak trees?) Then he was caught near Tonyrefail and taken to Llantrisant Cstle, en route to Berkeley. The two Despensers, father and son, were hanged, drawn and quartered, Dad in Bristol and the son in Hereford, from a fifty foot scaffold.

If you want to read about the allegation that Edward survived and died in Italy, look up 'The Fieschi Letter ' on Wikipedia or read Ian Mortimer's controversial book.

Incidentally, in Victorian times, a doctor in Swansea treated an old lady and instead of a fee she gave him an old box, inside which was Edward Ii's marriage contract, perhaps left behind in Neath. It was in the Swansea Institution, but now in the Swansea Council Archives on Mumbles Road.

Gaynor Madoc Leonard
@gaynor-madoc-leonard
03/16/12 02:55:10PM
302 posts

I managed to visit Berkeley Castle without falling into a moat, I'm proud to say! Poor old Edward. Wasn't an oubliette involved somehow too? The poker incident features in Marlowe's play about the king but who knows if it's true. I didn't know about Tesco in Llantrisant though.

Gaynor Madoc Leonard
@gaynor-madoc-leonard
03/16/12 02:31:38PM
302 posts

There was an article in the paper this week about a rail line going from Gwendraeth and hopefully linking up with Mumbles, like the old tram/train. Let's keep hoping!

Professor Bernard Knight CBE
@professor-bernard-knight-cbe
03/15/12 08:43:16PM
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I remember the bridge, I used to travel from Newton, Mumbles to Dynevor School on the Mumbles train every day in the 1940s and we passed this simple stone arch over the Pill. I looked for it just now on Goggle Street Level, but saw no sign of it - there has been so much 'development' (awful words) around that area. The rail line has gone, thanks to the short-sighted powers- that- be ( and South Wales Transport wanting to save money) so the oldest passenger railway in the wolrd which started in 1807 vanished in 1960, when it now could have been a cracking tourist attraction

Anyway, that bridge - wouldn't have been Roman, there was nowhere for it to have gone, no forts or marching camps in that area. It was probably medieval or even later. There was no proper road from Swansea to Mumbles untlk well after the railway began, but obviously there must have been a track for pack horses carrying fish to market etc.

I'm speaking at a meeting of the Swansea Historical Society at the Industiail Museum on Saturday, so I'll ask around to see if anyone knows anything about it.

Ceri Shaw
@ceri-shaw
03/15/12 07:54:35PM
568 posts

I recall paying a visit to Castell Morgraig many years ago....the ruins are not easy to find. It is certainly one of South Wales most interesting and enigmatic monuments. Here is a link to the Castles of Wales page:- http://www.castlewales.com/morgraig.html

I wonder if any of our members have pictures of the site? A return visit to Morgraig is certainly on my todo list when i get back to Wales for a vacation later this year or next.

Professor Bernard Knight CBE
@professor-bernard-knight-cbe
03/15/12 07:41:51PM
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I don't want to hog this column about history, but fresh in my mind is a visit made yesterday with a group from the small Gelligaer Historical Appreciation Society. We went to have a look at Castell Morgraig, about a mile from my home on the northern outskirts of Cardiif, led by Brian Davies, the charismatic curator of Pontypridd Museum. The ruins, for they are almost totally overgrown, lie on the ridge called the Graig, which forms the barrier between Cardiff and Caerphilly and the valleys to the north and there has been hot debate and controversy for a century about whether it was built by the Welsh of the Cantref of Senghenydd or the Normans under the de Clares. It was probably thrown up hastily around 1250-60, but never finished. You can read about it and see the pictures on on that great website, Castles of Wales.

Ceri Shaw
@ceri-shaw
03/15/12 07:14:33PM
568 posts

errrrmm I was 9 at the time....but it might have had something to do with my sinus meds

Ceri Shaw
@ceri-shaw
03/15/12 05:04:07PM
568 posts

I would hate to lower the tone by recounting the precise manner of Edwards death. Suffice it to say that anyone with a taste for the gruesome and bizarre can google the details. But on a side note your post brought to mind a boyhood visit to Berkeley Castle in the course of which the tour guide conducted us to the very room where Edward met his grizzly end. One could almost hear the screams.

I further recall that I fell in the castle moat during this visit and had was helped out ( it had steep sided stone faced banks ) by Lord Berkeley himself. Ahhhhhh....happy childhood memories

Professor Bernard Knight CBE
@professor-bernard-knight-cbe
03/15/12 04:55:03PM
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I was almost brought up on C J O Evan's book on Glamorgan, probably still the most concise guide to the county. Obviously quite a bit out of date now, due to decades of new discoveries, but still a very worthwhile read and some good photos.

I have amongst my scores of books on Welsh history, an even more obscure one, called 'Edward II in Glamorgan', by another clergymsn,. the Rev John Griffith of Nantymoel. It covers a much wider field than suggested by the tile,with fascinating asides about all sorts of historical matters. I found it years ago in a second-hand bookshop, published in 1904 by the Western Mail. It tells how Edward was eventually captured near Tesco's in Llantrisant ( if you know what I mean) and hauled off to Berkeley Castle where he is alleged to have been assassinated in a particlarly horrible way - but this book was where I first heard of the tale that he was rescued by the Welsh and ended his days in an Italian monastery, the body in his tomb in Gloucester Cathedral said to be one of his captors.

Bernard Knight

Gaynor Madoc Leonard
@gaynor-madoc-leonard
03/14/12 02:32:43PM
302 posts

Swansea

The book has 447 pages of text/photos etc, plus foreword and index. So there's quite a bit of information there.

All the best

Gaynor

Gaynor Madoc Leonard
@gaynor-madoc-leonard
03/13/12 06:13:05PM
302 posts

I'll tell you exactly the number tomorrow, Swansea, as I've left the book downstairs, but it's quite a thick book with quite thin paperand covers a number of subjects. The used book price you mention sounds like a bargain; the cheapest I've seen it here is 9.99 plus p&p. It's got maps, photographs (obviously from the 1930s), information about notable people inGlamorganthroughout history, information about towns and villages in the county and their importance or notoriety. Also historical information, as I mentioned in the previous post.

Ceri Shaw
@ceri-shaw
03/13/12 04:36:22PM
568 posts

Diolch for posting Gaynor....sounds like an interesting read

Gaynor Madoc Leonard
@gaynor-madoc-leonard
03/13/12 03:21:51PM
302 posts

This morning I was interested to read of a recently-discovered Bronze Age road (the wooden kind) in the region of Kenfig. Soon after that (this morning that is, not after the Bronze Age), I found an old book in a cupboard. The book, by CJO Evans, was first published in 1938 and this particular edition appears to be from 1946; it's calledGlamorgan, ItsHistory and Topography (still available secondhandonline, including Amazon.co.uk) and contains some verypleasing pictures as well as the interesting text. I've only just started delving into it but have already found some fascinating facts; for example, Sir Edward Stradling (ofSt Donat's - 1529 to 1609) was a 'cultured and gifted' man. He travelled abroad and was said to have the best private library of the period. He bore the expense of printing A Grammar of the Welsh Language and was the prime mover in the establishment of a Grammar School at Cowbridge.

The book also tells us of the original inhabitants of Britain and the subsequent immigrants. The Iberians (short and dark) were the first and followed by the taller, fairer, Gauls and Brythons. Evans explains that the woad-wearing inhabitants of Britain were really confined to the Belgae who came here not long before the Romans and lived peacefully in what is now south and south east England, alongside the "Celts".

Somewhere I was not aware of is Merthyr Mawr, an idyllic chocolate box village of thatched cottages (apparently still very much the same, according to the internet). Merthyr Mawr dunes were used in the filming of Lawrence of Arabia.

Just skimming through the book, I can see that there are Bronze Age and Roman settlements of which I had not heard so I shall get stuck in and find out more.


updated by @gaynor-madoc-leonard: 11/11/15 10:38:11PM